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Started by send_help_please_5 · Jan 21, 2025 · 6 replies
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send_help_please_5 OP

Real talk: i'm signing my first commercial lease for a small retail space in Denver. Monthly rent is $4,200 and the lease term is 5 years. I set up an LLC specifically to limit my personal liability, but the landlord is requiring an unlimited personal guarantee for the entire lease term sadly.

The guarantee says I'm personally liable for all rent, CAM charges, and damages for the full 5 years if the business fails. That's potentially $250K+ in exposure. My LLC becomes meaningless with this guarantee, right?

Is there any way to negotiate this or is it take-it-or-leave-it?

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first_time_poster_hi Attorney

You're correct that an unlimited personal guarantee essentially negates your LLC's liability protection for purposes of the lease. But here's the reality: almost every commercial landlord requires some form of personal guarantee from a new tenant, especially one without an established business track record.

The good news is that the guarantee is absolutely negotiable. Here are the standard modifications you should request:

1. Capped Guarantee: Instead of guaranteeing the entire 5-year lease, negotiate a cap equal to 12-24 months of rent. So your maximum personal exposure would be $50,400-$100,800 rather than $250K+. This is the single most important modification.

2. Burn-Off Provision: The guarantee reduces or expires over time as you establish a track record. For example: full guarantee in Year 1, reduces to 18 months in Year 2, 12 months in Year 3, 6 months in Year 4, and eliminated in Year 5. This rewards you for performing under the lease.

3. Good Guy Guarantee (common in New York, gaining traction elsewhere): You're personally liable only until you vacate and surrender the space in good condition. As long as you give notice, pay through your leave date, and hand back the keys in decent shape, your personal liability ends. This protects the landlord from a tenant who disappears while still occupying the space but limits your downside.

4. Cap on Covered Obligations: Limit the guarantee to base rent only, excluding CAM charges, legal fees, and consequential damages. These can add up significantly in a dispute.

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send_help_please_5 OP

The burn-off provision is really appealing. If my business does well for 2-3 years, it makes sense that the landlord's risk is lower and the guarantee should shrink.

Realistically, how much pushback should I expect? This is a decent location but not prime. The space has been vacant for about 3 months.

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carlos_r_2

Yeah commercial broker here. The fact that the space has been vacant for 3 months gives you more leverage than you might think. Vacancy is expensive for landlords — they're paying mortgage, taxes, insurance, and maintenance on an empty space. Most will negotiate to get a qualified tenant in the door fwiw.

here's what's realistic for a first-time tenant in a mid-tier location:

  • Cap of 12-18 months rent — very achievable
  • Burn-off starting after Year 2 — usually achievable
  • Good guy clause — depends on the market, but worth asking
  • Eliminating the guarantee entirely — unlikely for a new business, but possible after a few years via the burn-off

Frame it as "I'm committed to this location and want to make it work, but I need the guarantee to reflect the decreasing risk over time." Landlords respond to tenants who demonstrate seriousness and financial awareness.

DM
first_time_poster_hi Attorney

Tess is right about the leverage. I'll add a few more negotiation points:

Security deposit trade-off: Offer a larger security deposit (e.g., 3 months instead of 1) in exchange for a reduced or eliminated personal guarantee. Cash in hand reduces the landlord's risk and may make them more flexible on the guarantee.

One thing I want to emphasize: do not sign the lease without having the personal guarantee reviewed by an attorney. The language matters enormously. I've seen guarantees that include an acceleration clause (the entire remaining rent becomes due immediately upon default), a waiver of notice and right to cure, and even a confession of judgment clause (where you agree in advance to a judgment against you). These can be devastating and many are negotiable or even unenforceable depending on state law.

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ParalegalMeg_13

I signed an unlimited personal guarantee on my first lease seven years ago because I didn't know any better. When my business struggled during COVID and I had to close, the landlord came after me personally for 26 months of remaining rent — over $130,000. I eventually settled for $45,000 but it wiped out my savings and I'm still recovering.

Please, please negotiate this. A capped guarantee or a good guy clause would have saved me from financial ruin. The LLC I set up was completely useless because of the personal guarantee. It's the most expensive lesson I've ever learned.

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send_help_please_5 OP

Rita, that's terrifying and exactly why I'm asking these questions before signing. I'm sorry you went through that.

I'm going to propose a 12-month cap with a burn-off starting in Year 2, and I'll offer an additional month of security deposit as a sweetener. I've also reached out to a local attorney who does commercial leases to review everything before I sign. Thanks everyone — this thread probably just saved me from making a huge mistake.