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SAFE vs convertible note | which should I use for pre-seed?

Started by Jessica_M_10 · Sep 5, 2023 · 2 replies
For informational purposes only. Not legal advice.
JM
Jessica_M_10 OP

Raising $300K from angels. Some want SAFEs, one wants a convertible note. What's the actual difference and which is better for me as the founder?

AR
ambulance_runner_9

Resurrecting this thread because I just went through this exact situation. Closed a $400K pre-seed in November — mixed SAFEs and one note.

The investor who wanted the note was putting in $150K (our largest check). His lawyer insisted on the note for QSBS eligibility clarity. We negotiated 5% interest, 24-month maturity, same $6M cap as the SAFEs. Honestly wasn't that painful.

The one thing I'd warn about: make sure your note and SAFE caps are identical. We almost had a situation where the note investor wanted a lower cap "because notes have interest" — don't let that argument fly. The interest IS the compensation for the note structure.

TR
tort_reform_this_13

Late to teh party but wanted to add the VC perspective. When we lead seed rounds, we often see 4-6 SAFEs already on the cap table. The conversion math isn't hard, but what gets messy is when founders have done SAFEs with side letters or non-standard terms.

Biggest red flags we see: (1) SAFEs with pro-rata rights at pre-seed (creates friction at seed), (2) different caps for similar timing (makes investors question your negotiating), (3) uncapped SAFEs from 2021-era (brutal dilution for founders at conversion).

Clean SAFEs at reasonable caps = easy Series Seed. Messy convertible stack = we spend 2 extra weeks on legal and everyone's frustrated.